How can we get rid of them?
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 AllMenAreIslands |
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Posts: 22333 (05/30/07 12:05 AM)
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Posts: 0 (05/30/07 1:41 AM) |
Why?
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AllMenAreIslands |
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Posts: 22333 (05/30/07 8:02 AM)
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I don't like being forced to join one.
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stark52 |
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Posts: 1568 (05/30/07 10:20 AM) patata del sofá
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Unions are a necessary evil. What just pisses the goddamn hell out of me about them is when they defend a total fuck up loser just becuase they are a union member. Who they know is screwing over a company!
That makes me a little irate. But without unions we probably wouldn't have a standard 8 hr work day, paid holidays and weekends off. eta: Can I cuss in this forum or this hello kitty also? Please feel free to edit my cuss words and put in nicer things. |
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AllMenAreIslands |
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Posts: 22333 (05/30/07 11:33 AM)
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You can cuss in here.
Maybe without unions we'd be at a 4 day workweek by now. I think the thing I object to is being forced to join one. |
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QualityBobby |
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Posts: 3426 (05/30/07 12:00 PM)
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I'm opposed to forced anything. Unions should certainly be legal and allowed. But should not be mandatory.
If you want to band together withyour fellow co-workers, good for you. If you want to negotiate on your own and be a loner, same deal. |
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stark52 |
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Posts: 1568 (05/30/07 12:29 PM) patata del sofá
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Why is it mandatory?
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AllMenAreIslands |
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Posts: 22333 (05/30/07 1:08 PM)
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I think they're afraid that most people wouldn't join if they weren't forced to do so.
QB, that's exactly how I feel. If they want to have unions, they can. But don't force me to join. Unfortunately, I had to join one for this job. It's part of why it took me 6 years of being a temp to decide that union or not, I really enjoyed working with the judges. The union governs all kinds of government workers, and our small group of judicial secretaries are certainly NOT well-looked after. However, no strike is planned at the moment. What set me off on this topic was another set of unions, which are picketing at the Railway. If striking unions want to picket, fine. But they usually take it further than that, making it difficult to pass, causing delays, etc. |
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MultiGeminii |
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Posts: 1812 (05/30/07 7:34 PM) Samurai in denim.
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I guess I agree with stark. My union ensures that I have health benefits, decent working hours, and general job stability. But sometimes they do back a clown who should not be protected, and I hate that. The good outwieghs the bad though.
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Miss Neko |
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Posts: 110 (05/31/07 5:42 PM)
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While I believe Unions always needs monitoring and work, I am the daughter of a Union truck driver Teamster that gave me a great childhood.. he does not feel he could have done as well without it. I know he didn't need the protection because he's a hard worker but it is how he feels... so I do support that 100%
I think college tenure is a target before the mostly middle class and hard working man/woman who while has the protection of the Union, they have other protections.. normally financial. While the Union should always have monitoring and adjustments, I understand the abuse of a system like that..... |
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AmberKnecht |
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Posts: 292 (06/01/07 3:26 PM) Flick my Bic. |
Anything that works against market forces has the potential to add to tyranny.
I believe they have their place in certain situations, in which an industry's captains, who should be competing, instead conspire to abuse those who work beneath them. This was prevalent in the period that ended right around 1950, until which time most of the victims of this abuse were children or poor, uneducated immigrants. That was tyranny in the form of indentured servitude, and the formation of unions helped stop it, for the most part. (I LOVED the movie "Newsies", PARTLY for the inspirational story.  )But most unions today discourage excellence and competition, and that's one of the reasons that almost everywhere one finds a union, one finds sub-par products and services. "Hey, bub, don't work so hard on the production line; you're making the rest of us look bad." That sentence is a death sentence for industry. |
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amikino |
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Posts: 74 (10/24/07 2:05 PM) By Grabthar's hammer,
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Unions play an important part in attempting to level the playing field. Those of us who aren't in unions can vouch for the fact that pension plans, insurance, etc., are luxuries we don't necessarily enjoy these days. Of course, forcing someone to join a union seems awful, but if people didn't unite in certain industries, they'd go back to the treatment received prior to the advent of unions.
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Posts: 6 (12/03/07 11:54 PM)
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I am pro-union but I am not a big fan of some of the guilt tactics the WGA is using right now in this strike. They want people to support them, but that means
these people (the crews) aren't getting pay checks for fear of crossing the picket lines and getting cussed out.
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